Comments on: From Delhi to Chennai – Are There Two Indias? http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/ Critiquing the Politics, Policy & Practice of Development Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:08:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: vivek pakhale http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/comment-page-1/#comment-138602 vivek pakhale Mon, 03 Jan 2011 07:24:18 +0000 http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/#comment-138602 People from Hindi States just wants to marry other language girls and settle down in others states and if possible to control take of Decision process. I have never seen Girl of Hindi speaking state opting for other language boys. Really, Hindi Speakers don't have acceptance. That's the reason they are not welcomed at most places. People from Hindi States just wants to marry other language girls and settle down in others states and if possible to control take of Decision process. I have never seen Girl of Hindi speaking state opting for other language boys. Really, Hindi Speakers don’t have acceptance. That’s the reason they are not welcomed at most places.

]]> By: Gaurav http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/comment-page-1/#comment-132842 Gaurav Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:57:04 +0000 http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/#comment-132842 I think Tamil Nadu must be declared a seperate nation or we can give it to Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or even Pakistan. Tamil Nadu and rest of India are like opposite ends. No match of Language, culture, people and food. They don't speak english/hindi and what they speak they only know. They eat rice, rice and rice. I don;t know if anything else exists. I came alive from Chennai after 3 years, I am so thankful to God. I never felt such things in Bangalore and Hyderabad. They also belong to South. But they are like home to us. Tamil Nadu is very strange and that's the truth. Out of 120 batchmates in my training batch.. 109 wrote location preference as OPEN (EXCEPT CHENNAI) and 10 were from Chennai only and the one was me, and so I suffered for 3 years. I fought very hard trust me.. But all I can say now is I lost and I gave up. I have to agree Chennai/Tamil Nadu is different from any other state in India. It's hard to survive there for people from other states. I think Tamil Nadu must be declared a seperate nation or we can give it to Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or even Pakistan. Tamil Nadu and rest of India are like opposite ends. No match of Language, culture, people and food. They don’t speak english/hindi and what they speak they only know. They eat rice, rice and rice. I don;t know if anything else exists. I came alive from Chennai after 3 years, I am so thankful to God. I never felt such things in Bangalore and Hyderabad. They also belong to South. But they are like home to us. Tamil Nadu is very strange and that’s the truth.

Out of 120 batchmates in my training batch.. 109 wrote location preference as OPEN (EXCEPT CHENNAI) and 10 were from Chennai only and the one was me, and so I suffered for 3 years. I fought very hard trust me.. But all I can say now is I lost and I gave up. I have to agree Chennai/Tamil Nadu is different from any other state in India. It’s hard to survive there for people from other states.

]]> By: u# http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/comment-page-1/#comment-131146 u# Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:24:19 +0000 http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/#comment-131146 I am Kutchhi (Gujrati), I stay in Maharashtra and completed my education upto SSC with Gujrati. Hindi and Marathi were my Secon level languages. And Enlish was third level language. Advantage : Yes Now I know good marathi not just spoken but by litrature and culture. I know Hindi the same way. and no question that I can write poems in Gujrati. I completed my graduation in english. I lived in USA and working with one of Big IT company. Niether my education in gujrati does affect me. But Learning so many language even leveraged my self an adaptablity to learn each language. Now Even I am learning Tamil. Also One more funny fact that I am Kutchi which is a seperate language, which is not gujrati,punjabi... its completely a seperate language which is only a spoken one and does not have a writen charactor!!! Now to the point... Yes I today's life best solution to this language mess is as under.. 1. Hindi and Tamil (State Language) should be compulsory to student But without grading or impact to result. Mean score in Hindi or Any other language should not be part of your over all percentage.. Result : Student will learn hindi but will not be stressed. Look at this score card English : 75/100 Hindi : 35/100 Tamil : 40/100 Maths : 75/100 Science : 75/100 History : 75/100 Total : 375/600 = 62.5% What if the Hindi and Tamil are not counted for a grading English : 75/100 Hindi : C grade Tamil : C Grade Maths : 75/100 Science : 75/100 History : 75/100 Total : 300/400 = 75% This is why all are worried.. Taking a few language in education is not issue But wrong performance in languages can spoil one's career. A IT or Science professional is least concerned of laguages.. So even they may perform bad in english also. So the grading have to be made in that way.. Then only you can build a united India... Else this India will be in two parts... One who know hindi and one who dont know hindi so will find imposition of hindi as hammer or burden. I am Kutchhi (Gujrati), I stay in Maharashtra and completed my education upto SSC with Gujrati.
Hindi and Marathi were my Secon level languages. And Enlish was third level language.

Advantage : Yes Now I know good marathi not just spoken but by litrature and culture. I know Hindi the same way. and no question that I can write poems in Gujrati. I completed my graduation in english. I lived in USA and working with one of Big IT company.

Niether my education in gujrati does affect me.
But Learning so many language even leveraged my self an adaptablity to learn each language.

Now Even I am learning Tamil.

Also One more funny fact that I am Kutchi which is a seperate language, which is not gujrati,punjabi… its completely a seperate language which is only a spoken one and does not have a writen charactor!!!

Now to the point…

Yes I today’s life best solution to this language mess is as under..

1. Hindi and Tamil (State Language) should be compulsory to student But without grading or impact to result.

Mean score in Hindi or Any other language should not be part of your over all percentage..

Result : Student will learn hindi but will not be stressed.

Look at this score card

English : 75/100
Hindi : 35/100
Tamil : 40/100
Maths : 75/100
Science : 75/100
History : 75/100
Total : 375/600 = 62.5%

What if the Hindi and Tamil are not counted for a grading

English : 75/100
Hindi : C grade
Tamil : C Grade
Maths : 75/100
Science : 75/100
History : 75/100
Total : 300/400 = 75%

This is why all are worried..
Taking a few language in education is not issue
But wrong performance in languages can spoil one’s career.

A IT or Science professional is least concerned of laguages.. So even they may perform bad in english also.

So the grading have to be made in that way..

Then only you can build a united India…

Else this India will be in two parts…

One who know hindi and one who dont know hindi so will find imposition of hindi as hammer or burden.

]]> By: Stephen http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/comment-page-1/#comment-122284 Stephen Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:08:16 +0000 http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/#comment-122284 Hindi is not supposed to imposed in southern part of india. It's a better language; those who are intersted can learn Hindi. many individuals from north india have settled in souther part of india. They too speak tamil. it's basically people's interst and should not be a rule. Thanks. Hindi is not supposed to imposed in southern part of india. It’s a better language; those who are intersted can learn Hindi. many individuals from north india have settled in souther part of india. They too speak tamil. it’s basically people’s interst and should not be a rule.

Thanks.

]]> By: Roop Singh http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/comment-page-1/#comment-105606 Roop Singh Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:16:43 +0000 http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/#comment-105606 I agree that Hindi is not "one-size fits all solution" in India. The CBSE and ICSE school language policy in absolutely questionable. They are responsible for downfall in usage of even many north Indian languages. English is the practically the only language which unite all regions of the country. Roop Singh I agree that Hindi is not “one-size fits all solution” in India. The CBSE and ICSE school language policy in absolutely questionable. They are responsible for downfall in usage of even many north Indian languages. English is the practically the only language which unite all regions of the country.

Roop Singh

]]> By: Suresh John http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/comment-page-1/#comment-105604 Suresh John Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:08:13 +0000 http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/#comment-105604 The main culprits behind Hindi imposition is the schools. Students and parents of South Indians schools face insult if someone does not do well in foreign of foregn langugae Hindi imposed down the throat for 4 - 10 years of schooling. Go to any school in Bangalore..Hindi imposition is a must... THe Hindi baggage has to be taken atleast as 3rd langugae. SOme international schools start the imposition right from LKG. Of all language , person knowing Hindi need not and will learn any other language. Which is why when they come to Tamil Nadu they are easily recognized and branded as "Hindikkaaran". In Karnataka unfortunately they will rule without knowing Kannada but suddenly someone speaking Hindi in Bangalore gets murdered for the silliest reason citing "insult to Kannada". (the retention by elite media is not more than 2 days with these kind of news) The current 3 language system in schools which gives unfair advantage to Hindi speakers in terms of reduced syllabus and ranking must be scrapped and schools should be made grammar schools with emphasis on English and technical subjects. The other perputuators of this Hindi favoutism are the so-called service organizations - Banks, Airlines, Gas. They announce/print form in 2 languages. Oh yes ICICI is known to have a Russian website...but Tamil was to inferior to have a website....and these banks are making big talk of Hi technology and rural service... The language policy of (H)India which favours only Hindi in name of "nationalized" language at cost of downfall of other languages ill be significant contributor other being the "nationalized" caste "OBC" will contribute to total disunity of India. The main culprits behind Hindi imposition is the schools. Students and parents of South Indians schools face insult if someone does not do well in foreign of foregn langugae Hindi imposed down the throat for 4 – 10 years of schooling.

Go to any school in Bangalore..Hindi imposition is a must… THe Hindi baggage has to be taken atleast as 3rd langugae. SOme international schools start the imposition right from LKG.

Of all language , person knowing Hindi need not and will learn any other language. Which is why when they come to Tamil Nadu they are easily recognized and branded as “Hindikkaaran”. In Karnataka unfortunately they will rule without knowing Kannada but suddenly someone speaking Hindi in Bangalore gets murdered for the silliest reason citing “insult to Kannada”. (the retention by elite media is not more than 2 days with these kind of news)

The current 3 language system in schools which gives unfair advantage to Hindi speakers in terms of reduced syllabus and ranking must be scrapped and schools should be made grammar schools with emphasis on English and technical subjects.

The other perputuators of this Hindi favoutism are the so-called service organizations – Banks, Airlines, Gas. They announce/print form in 2 languages. Oh yes ICICI is known to have a Russian website…but Tamil was to inferior to have a website….and these banks are making big talk of Hi technology and rural service…

The language policy of (H)India which favours only Hindi in name of “nationalized” language at cost of downfall of other languages ill be significant contributor other being the “nationalized” caste “OBC” will contribute to total disunity of India.

]]> By: s http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/comment-page-1/#comment-102909 s Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:53:28 +0000 http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/#comment-102909 The best part of india, is that various languages, cultures and religions co exist peacefully.This is what makes india so beautiful.Why impose hindi on all.Let people from Southern states speak their local languages and the people from north speak gujarati, punjabi and bengali.This makes india culturally rich and Vibrant.Stop imposing hindi on the southeners. It's high Time the north indians learned the local languages when they are down south and vice versa. The best part of india, is that various languages, cultures and religions co exist peacefully.This is what makes india so beautiful.Why impose hindi on all.Let people from Southern states speak their local languages and the people from north speak gujarati, punjabi and bengali.This makes india culturally rich and Vibrant.Stop imposing hindi on the southeners. It’s high Time the north indians learned the local languages when they are down south and vice versa.

]]> By: Prakash http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/comment-page-1/#comment-101768 Prakash Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:07:46 +0000 http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/#comment-101768 Nice post. India is beautiful with its multiple color. Imagine, every one around you looks and talks like you. Life won't be interesting. So I am against any sort of Imposition. Hindi included. If some body wants to learn Hindi, he will. If some body wants to learn Kannada, he will. Politicians, just have to take their arm off of people's interest unless harmful to others. Nice post. India is beautiful with its multiple color. Imagine, every one around you looks and talks like you. Life won’t be interesting. So I am against any sort of Imposition. Hindi included. If some body wants to learn Hindi, he will. If some body wants to learn Kannada, he will. Politicians, just have to take their arm off of people’s interest unless harmful to others.

]]> By: vijay http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/comment-page-1/#comment-41384 vijay Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:21:04 +0000 http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/#comment-41384 [i]Even Karunanidi is talking to people to learning Hindi.[/i] he he he, you seem to completely out of touch with reality. Read these... TN chamber of commerce and industry opposes Hindi: Feb 08, 2006 http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/02/09/stories/2006020902541900.htm MDMK opposes Hindi "The party will not allow any move to impose Hindi on Tamils in any manner." http://www.hindu.com/2004/10/30/stories/2004103009840400.htm Jayalalitha against Hindi: In a demi-official letter, she said, "It is with great pain and anguish that I wish to bring to your notice the recent practice resorted to by the National Highways Authority of India of inscribing place names in Hindi on the kilometre stones on the NH being laid in Tamil Nadu." http://www.hinduonnet.com/2004/12/22/stories/2004122210530100.htm DMK, AIADMK, MDMK The Lok Sabha was adjourned for 15 minutes today during question hour as a bitter debate triggered off between members from Tamil Nadu and those from the Hindi-speaking belt on whether the milestones on the National Highway should show the distance in Hindi in the non-Hindi-speaking states. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030306/nation.htm#3 As you can see, all the major parties in TN - DMK, AIADMK, MDMK oppose hindi imposition in any form. I dont see a reason why the Tamils have to learn hindi in Tamil Nadu - let the northerner who comes to TN learn Tamil or pack his bags to north. [i]Even Karunanidi is talking to people to learning Hindi.[/i]

he he he, you seem to completely out of touch with reality.

Read these…
TN chamber of commerce and industry opposes Hindi: Feb 08, 2006
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/02/09/stories/2006020902541900.htm

MDMK opposes Hindi
“The party will not allow any move to impose Hindi on Tamils in any manner.”
http://www.hindu.com/2004/10/30/stories/2004103009840400.htm

Jayalalitha against Hindi:
In a demi-official letter, she said, “It is with great pain and anguish that I wish to bring to your notice the recent practice resorted to by the National Highways Authority of India of inscribing place names in Hindi on the kilometre stones on the NH being laid in Tamil Nadu.”
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2004/12/22/stories/2004122210530100.htm

DMK, AIADMK, MDMK
The Lok Sabha was adjourned for 15 minutes today during question hour as a bitter debate triggered off between members from Tamil Nadu and those from the Hindi-speaking belt on whether the milestones on the National Highway should show the distance in Hindi in the non-Hindi-speaking states.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030306/nation.htm#3

As you can see, all the major parties in TN – DMK, AIADMK, MDMK oppose hindi imposition in any form.

I dont see a reason why the Tamils have to learn hindi in Tamil Nadu – let the northerner who comes to TN learn Tamil or pack his bags to north.

]]> By: Dweep Chanana http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/comment-page-1/#comment-41351 Dweep Chanana Tue, 28 Nov 2006 05:35:24 +0000 http://www.planetd.org/2006/11/27/from-delhi-to-chennai-are-there-two-indias/#comment-41351 ninena, Thanks for your comment. You're right that external exchange has a big impact on our ability to adapt. And contrary to your assertion, nowhere do I state that I'd like to see a single Indian culture. Quite the contrary. I'm simply in favor of cherrypicking what we can learn from other influences - both internal and external... I admire the South's ability and readiness to learn Hindi. I cannot say the same about North indians that live in the South for years, and learn not a word of the local tongue. That I feel, reflects the openness of the South to others, while being able to retain their identity. And the arrogance of the North. In international circles, we call the French arrogant and naive for refusing to speak English. So, how are the 'northerners' in India, any different? Finally, I flew out of my nest several years ago, and have lived outside India for the past 5 years, in 3 countries. So when I start speaking, a westerner usually doesn't know where I am from. But nice try :) ninena,
Thanks for your comment. You’re right that external exchange has a big impact on our ability to adapt. And contrary to your assertion, nowhere do I state that I’d like to see a single Indian culture. Quite the contrary. I’m simply in favor of cherrypicking what we can learn from other influences – both internal and external…

I admire the South’s ability and readiness to learn Hindi. I cannot say the same about North indians that live in the South for years, and learn not a word of the local tongue. That I feel, reflects the openness of the South to others, while being able to retain their identity. And the arrogance of the North. In international circles, we call the French arrogant and naive for refusing to speak English. So, how are the ‘northerners’ in India, any different?

Finally, I flew out of my nest several years ago, and have lived outside India for the past 5 years, in 3 countries. So when I start speaking, a westerner usually doesn’t know where I am from. But nice try :)

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