I returned today from a weekend in Paris to find this interesting question in my inbox, by way of Desicritics. The ensuing discussion on our mailing list, that consitutes the author’s circle, was both colorful and personal.
This question has been posed with increasing urgency in the United States, where socially liberal states and cities have repeatedly tried to legalize gay marriage. Conservative republicans, marking the other end of the spectrum, have threatened to amend the constitution to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. India is still far behind in the debate. Sodomy is still a criminal offence and homosexuals regularly treated with disdain. Add to this the recent campaign by liberal ‘intellectuals’ to modify these laws and the question is urgent for India too.
If I had to summarize the discussion on Desicritics I’d say we were a bunch of mostly left-leaning social liberals, with a healthy sprinkling of skeptics that will challenge everything.
The Pro-Gay Marriage Camp
Within such a group, it is easy to see the case for gay marriage and such arguments generally fall into three categories.
First, gays are entitled to the same rights and privileges as everyone else. Marriage, being one of those, cannot rightly be denied to them (Desigirl said it much more succintly: “Why not? They have the same rights as anybody else, methinks”).
The second, and somewhat related argument, is that there is no case for the state to interfere in the free choices of consenting adults. As BangaloreGuy said:
Whether anyone should marry or not is a decision best left to the folks who are marrying - as long as they’re consenting adults, what business is it of anyone else to opine on their right to marry?
Finally, it was pointed out that marriage while important in and of itself also provides important legal rights to the partners. By denying gays the right to marry, one denies those rights.
The Challengers
As with all good groups, however, Desicritics has its doubting Thomases. Rahul Bhonsle, for instance, says:
Marriage is a ritual or an institution if you may allow for formal cohabitation of people of different sexes. The aim of the institution of marraige is orderly social conduct between the genders apart from other issues. This is a universally accepted institution unlike many other which are not inclusive. Homosexuals having marraige really does not fall into this paradigm. Homosexuals can instead live in without any necessity of a formal bond of marraige. In fact they should not feel the need for marraige as other issues such as inheritance etc can be organised through legal instruments which are prevalent.
Vikas Chowdhry, also playing the Devil’s advocate went even further:
But the argument that really stumps me is that if gays are allowed to marry, then why make polygamy illegal? Polyandry? After all, society does impose its moral values for a lot of other things on individuals, doesn’t it? So what makes gays special that an exception be made for them?
This must be anathema to the liberal because for them gay marriage is right simply because denying it is to deny a section of society their freedom. There is certainly a case for treating gays different from polygamists/polyandrists, because gays may not have a biological choice to be heterosexual. Besides, polyandry and polygamy may institutionalize power inequality among genders, rather than the opposite which is the intent of gay marriage.
Yet, the issue is not simply one of freedoms, but of something more fundamental - what is marriage?
A Question of Social Preferences
Both sides of the debate seem to presume that marriage is the natural state of existence. Conservatives, therefore, what to protect the instutition, while liberals want to extend its haloed status to include gay couples. That, however, may not be the case at all. At least in a modern state, marriage exists also to grant legal rights to both partners. It is increasinly more a social and legal contract.
Seen that way, those that object to a ban on gay marriage because it denies gays legal rights should be satisfied by other mechanisms, such as civil unions in the US. Similarly, one cannot object to such a ban on the basis that it infringes on an individual’s freedoms (the consenting adults argument). As pointed out, there are several instances in which laws place just such restrictions, polygamy to take one example. Finally, one objection that did not surface but has been made before, is that gay couples are a risk to a child’s growth. This, of course, presumes that a bisexual couple is better at raising children. Of course, given the lack of gay couples that have raised kids, there’s no evidence either way.
The only objection to such a ban, therefore, can be that it simply is not what we expect ‘marriage’ to be. The question, therefore, shouldn’t be ’should gays be allowed to marry’, but rather ’should we redefine marriage to include same-sex couples?’.
Laws relating to marriage, as with other laws, are societies attempt to institutionalize the majority opinion. The question of gay marriage, therefore, poses not an ethical/moral choice but a social preference choice. As our preferences change, so is our definition of ‘marriage’ likely to include or exclude ‘gay marriage’.
Well marriages are not just a social ritual..its a nature given gift to mankind. People of the different sexes marry so as to keep the society running. Can you imagine a society were reproduction has been left out? no children?? whole perspective of the society will change. But then i assume that there will be lesser normal marriages..as if everyone would be waiting for same sex marriage to be legalised
Men have few qualities which are not inherent to women and vice versa and one’s success lies in mastering those qualities and playing your part in this world. They compliment each other well. By legalizing same sex marriages the basic purpose of life will be defeated..live is not all about sex or pleasure!
Hi Sharique,
You make a good point about gender roles, and marriage being a way to legitimize those roles. I personally think gender roles are important.
My point was simply that there is a lack of agreement among the two sides on what marriage is - is it as you say to legitimize male-female gender roles, or is it more generally a way for two people to live together?
I think everyone will have a different answer and you seem to choose the first option. Many liberals however, would question that, even going as far as to say for instance that marriage is not really necessary for reproduction
When we start doing that, I think its basically a question of completely challenging long-held social mores.
Hi Dweep,
I wonder why do the gays have to marry?? they can live peacefully..or cohabit without legalizing their relationship. Or , oops then even divorce will come into the picture…that will make it really interesting…
I don’t think this sort of relationship can ever be accepted in India or the third world countries. This might be also a way to reduce population and poverty :P. Ok so here is my conclusion..make it legal in countries with huge population!
BTW that desicritics link in the first para is of this blog only
My take would be to legalise the union simply because, in case one dies, usually the family (who may never have talked to them for fear of social stigma) gets all the spoils. The partner who has shared everything meanwhile is left without any rights. I am talking here of countries that do not recognise co-habitation, and its legality. And in those cases some kind of legal bond does becomes necessary.
Marriage is juat an institution created by humans and homosexuals getting married doesnt in any way, harm others. So why bother!
Thanks Sharique, the link has been corrected.